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| Lassen Thread Message # 36 |
| date | December 18, 2005 |
| author | Stafford Hazelett |
| subject | More Lassen Thread |
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I am going to forward two messages from Art Porter, an early and very useful contributor to this thread. We got off the list and did not get right back on. I'm sorry I didn't catch it quicker. Richard Stillson picked up the thread on December 17 with a message simultaneously to the off-listers and the list and then Art replied to the off-list group with an original message and then an amendment. I have not editted the message portion of either of Art's messages. Stafford >Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 17:39:28 -0800 (GMT-08:00)>From: Art > >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Richard Stillson >> >Sent: Dec 17, 2005 1:08 PM >> >> >"Last night Lawson [presumably Peter Lassen], whom we saw about a week >> ago arrived >> >having given up his place in the exploring expedition & returns home on >> >account of has bad health." A week before September 22, 1849, Gray and >> his >> >Newark Company were up around Goose Lake (they didn't get to Lassen's >> Ranch >> >until October 3). If Lassen was around Goose Lake at that time he was not >> >at his ranch all of the fall of 1849. Did he go all the way to the >> meadows? >> >What did Gray mean "given up his place in the exploring >> expedition." Sounds >> >to me like the mystery deepens > >When Gray first had talked to Lassen (9/13) I put that location just east >of what is now stone coal canyon. [ See Amended message below. sjh ] The >exploration expedition was that of the Warner Expedition to scout out >locations for a railroad. Gray said he was told by Lassen that he was >being payed $10 a day to guide Warner. Warner also had a Hudson Bay man >with him that he hired in Sacramento in that same capacity: Francois >Bercier. Warner reached the headwaters of the Pit on 9/18 and set out on >his own with 9 men on 9/20. Six days later Warner would be ambushed and >killed by the Indian arrows in the 12 Mile creek country. Bercier, also >shot full of arrows. would linger for about a day until he too suffered >the same fate as Warner. When Lassen saw Gray the second time he was >indeed heading west back to Bosquejo. Lassen was back at his the ranch on >10/6 as Gray reported the "very clever" Lassen treated him to some " good >old Santa Cruz rum". We know from Scharmann's diary that Lassen was at >the ranch on 11/1. >> > >> > >> >What a wonderful cast of characters in >> >addition to Lassen: Fremont, Gillespie, Burnett, Chiles, Myers, McGee, >> >Hudspeth, Warner, and others. > >Stockton, Bidwell. Kit Carson, Sutter, Reading, Williamson, Peoples, >Rucker, Bercier. Nathanal Lyons. >and the list goes on as the circle was small back then. > >Happy Holidays >Art And the amendment: >Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2005 05:02:46 -0800 (GMT-08:00) >From: Art > >Whoops, I blew that reply, on looking just a bit deeper Lassen probably >met Gray for the first time in somewhere between Bieber and Little Valley. > >In some of my papers I have speculated that Pond's may have been the last >documented sighting of Lassen headed east on 9/14 and that Doyle's may >have been the first documented sighting of Lassen heading west on >9/20. But do not have their journals handy at the moment and didn't note >where the general location of these sightings. |
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