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| Lassen Thread Message # 29 |
| date | November 30, 2005 |
| author | Stafford Hazelett |
| subject | Hazelett and Silva: A. Bancroft's 1873 map and Lassen |
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I found a copy of A. Bancroft's 1873 map of California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona in a JPEG format. It is 305 Megabytes online, so it takes a terrific long time to download with a dialup connection ;-0 Even though there is a similar named map for 1863 which Richard found listed in a book of old California maps, this one is clearly the 1873 map because it shows the railroads. Apparently it solidifies the evidence about a portion of Fremont's route. I have included an edited thread of the discussion so far about the Bancroft map and how it applies to our ongoing discussion of Lassen in 1848. Stafford >>>11/29/2005 10:37 PM>>>From: Stafford Hazelett >>>To: Richard Silva >>> >>>I found the 1873 Bancroft map of California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona >>>online at the Perry Castaneda collection at the University of Texas. . >>>It has lots of detail and shows the wagon roads. I was fascinated with >>>the detail. It has Nobles's and Lassen's and Beckwourth's and Lockhart's >>>wagon roads. The scale is 1 inch to 24 miles on the original. >>> >>>"Not to be reproduced without permission. To purchase copies of images >>>and/or for copyright information, contact University of Nevada, Las >>>Vegas Libraries, Special Collections at: >>> >>> >>> >>>At 09:11 AM 11/30/2005, Richard Silva wrote: >>>Good job, you will find "Wolf Creek" is Lost Creek and "Poinsettia (Also >>>on Fremont's map) or Canoe Creek" is Hat Creek, [and that] is Fremont's >>>route to Pit River. The Fort Crook, Lockhart Roads via the Hat Creek >>>Rim, north passing Lost Creek, Government Wells (Lake), this is a long >>>valley or plateau east along a rim above Hat Creek. This route is not >>>the trapper trail which is along Hat Creek or Canoe Creek to the Pit >>>River turning east above the south bank of the Pit River not along the >>>river as it is a gorge to the mouth of Fall River. This would also be >>>the trappers route from Hat Creek to Fall River. Looks as though Fremont >>>continued east crossing near Pittville - very easy travel. >>> >>>Two wagon roads would be opened from Fall River, Lockhart's Bridge >>>(Ferry also) to Hat Creek, Bailey Stage Road on the south rim and the >>>Winters Toll Road along the river in the gorge. >>> >>>Looks like Fremont did not reache Butte Creek to turn to north to the >>>Pit River after all. I thought he may have been describing Butte Creek >>>as Poinsettia. I should have known it would be Hat Creek. ... This >>>valley or rim from Hat Creek to Butte Creek is about 28 miles through >>>very easy travel. >>> >>>Richard >> >>11/30/2005 10:50 AM >> From Stafford Hazelett >>To Richard Silva >> I saw those names and wondered if they had been changed in later days. >> Thanks for the key to the changes. >> >> Stafford > >At 12:18 PM 11/30/2005, Richard Silva wrote: > >I knew of the map but never seen it. Bancroft has two other maps listed in >my book "The maps of the California Gold Region, 1848-1857" (And Later) by >Carl I. Wheat, this book shows some maps, and gives a list of the maps. >... >Bancroft's of "California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona", Published by H. H. >Bancroft & Co. Booksellers and stationers, San Francisco, Cal. 1863. Entered >according to act of Congress, A.D. 1864 by H. H. Bancroft & Company, in >clerk's office of the District Court of the United States, for the Northern >District of California 341/2 x 281/2 inches map only. > >I really feel good now about Fremonts route from Lassens to Pit River, this >will prove so very important as this area was explored before Lockhart and >Rosebrough. Maybe Lockhart got his description of the area from Bidwell & >Joe Gates (Note: Nobles Pass Trail news articles about Joe Gates). > >The 1873 map is not listed in this edition of Wheat's maps, maybe in the >Carl Wheat Collection, Palo Alto? >... >Richard |
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