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|Lassen Thread Message # 29|
|date||November 30, 2005|
|subject||Hazelett and Silva: A. Bancroft's 1873 map and Lassen|
I found a copy of A. Bancroft's 1873 map of California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona in a JPEG format. It is 305 Megabytes online, so it takes a terrific long time to download with a dialup connection ;-0Even though there is a similar named map for 1863 which Richard found listed in a book of old California maps, this one is clearly the 1873 map because it shows the railroads. Apparently it solidifies the evidence about a portion of Fremont's route. I have included an edited thread of the discussion so far about the Bancroft map and how it applies to our ongoing discussion of Lassen in 1848. Stafford >>>11/29/2005 10:37 PM
>>>From: Stafford Hazelett
>>>To: Richard Silva
>>>I found the 1873 Bancroft map of California, Nevada, Utah, and Arizona
>>>online at the Perry Castaneda collection at the University of Texas. .
>>>It has lots of detail and shows the wagon roads. I was fascinated with
>>>the detail. It has Nobles's and Lassen's and Beckwourth's and Lockhart's
>>>wagon roads. The scale is 1 inch to 24 miles on the original.
>>>"Not to be reproduced without permission. To purchase copies of images
>>>and/or for copyright information, contact University of Nevada, Las
>>>Vegas Libraries, Special Collections at:
>>>At 09:11 AM 11/30/2005, Richard Silva wrote:
>>>Good job, you will find "Wolf Creek" is Lost Creek and "Poinsettia (Also
>>>on Fremont's map) or Canoe Creek" is Hat Creek, [and that] is Fremont's
>>>route to Pit River. The Fort Crook, Lockhart Roads via the Hat Creek
>>>Rim, north passing Lost Creek, Government Wells (Lake), this is a long
>>>valley or plateau east along a rim above Hat Creek. This route is not
>>>the trapper trail which is along Hat Creek or Canoe Creek to the Pit
>>>River turning east above the south bank of the Pit River not along the
>>>river as it is a gorge to the mouth of Fall River. This would also be
>>>the trappers route from Hat Creek to Fall River. Looks as though Fremont
>>>continued east crossing near Pittville - very easy travel.
>>>Two wagon roads would be opened from Fall River, Lockhart's Bridge
>>>(Ferry also) to Hat Creek, Bailey Stage Road on the south rim and the
>>>Winters Toll Road along the river in the gorge.
>>>Looks like Fremont did not reache Butte Creek to turn to north to the
>>>Pit River after all. I thought he may have been describing Butte Creek
>>>as Poinsettia. I should have known it would be Hat Creek. ... This
>>>valley or rim from Hat Creek to Butte Creek is about 28 miles through
>>>very easy travel.
>> >>11/30/2005 10:50 AM
>> From Stafford Hazelett
>>To Richard Silva
>> I saw those names and wondered if they had been changed in later days.
>> Thanks for the key to the changes.
>At 12:18 PM 11/30/2005, Richard Silva wrote:
>I knew of the map but never seen it. Bancroft has two other maps listed in
>my book "The maps of the California Gold Region, 1848-1857" (And Later) by
>Carl I. Wheat, this book shows some maps, and gives a list of the maps.
>Bancroft's of "California, Nevada, Utah and Arizona", Published by H. H.
>Bancroft & Co. Booksellers and stationers, San Francisco, Cal. 1863. Entered
>according to act of Congress, A.D. 1864 by H. H. Bancroft & Company, in
>clerk's office of the District Court of the United States, for the Northern
>District of California 341/2 x 281/2 inches map only.
>I really feel good now about Fremonts route from Lassens to Pit River, this
>will prove so very important as this area was explored before Lockhart and
>Rosebrough. Maybe Lockhart got his description of the area from Bidwell &
>Joe Gates (Note: Nobles Pass Trail news articles about Joe Gates).
>The 1873 map is not listed in this edition of Wheat's maps, maybe in the
>Carl Wheat Collection, Palo Alto?
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